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My two-penneh worth on them S4 Spoilers
Hello, there are spoilers for Doctor Who right in here, so don't go clicking if you don't want to be spoilt.
And how frustrating is it to find out on the BBC Entertainment News on a DAY WHERE I HAVE NO INTERNET AT WORK!! Gah!
Disclaimer: yes I am a Doctor/Rose shipper (more Ninth Doctor/Rose than Tenth Doctor/Rose - not even The Stone Rose could save that for me. I do have a lot of issues over Rose's characterisation in S2). I'm also a Doctor/Martha shipper, along with Doctor/Ace and Doctor/Romana and Doctor/Brig - I'm one of those loves-them-all shippers, me. I am certainly not a Rose h8r as some people seem to think (which I think is down to judging me by my f-list but there you go).
So, Rose is coming back. the Beeb have confirmed it here and here
The Facts:
[x] She's going to be in S4 NOT the Specials
[x] She's going to be in either one or three episodes (depending on who you ask)
[x] Graeme Harper is directing and according to DWM them's episodes he's working on are the Ood episode, the Agatha Christie episode and a single RTD-written episode (which is apparently Doctor!Lite according to other reports and overheard script dialogue at last night's filming)
The Speculation:
[x] Judging from the photos (taken by an OGer, pinched from![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
seti_drd's post (Yay for Graeme Harper in the first picture there - the man doesn't get enough love)
[x] Rose is incorporeal (in a First Evil stylee)/ a figment of someone's imgination given form/projection of the TARDIS/Rose from the past/random person who looks like Rose/the Eleventh Doctor.
[x] At least one of the episodes is going to be an investigation into "how many companions a (absent) Time Lord can squeeze into a TARDIS" th lots of companions joining in the fun (DigitalSpy rumours have reported CT and Lis Sladen filming together)
[x] They sky is falling! The sky is falling!!
What I hope for:
[x] A story along the lines ofdoyle_sb4's comment here (the second part of it - that would actually be something I'd enjoy watching) (and because it wouldn't be Doctor-dependent!Rose I wouldn't get annoyed by her clingy character assassination)
[x] Real closure for Rose. I want her to realise/have already realised that the Doctor isn't the be-all and end-all of everything (like Donna did in the TRB and Martha did and Sarah Jane did) and move on and be Rose Tyler: Earth Defender (or whatever the spin-off was going to be called). Maybe with leet Secret Agent powers so she can teach Jack how to run TW properly. I don't want sea birds getting trapped in an oil-slick of teary mascara.
[x] Rose and Martha to finally meet and actually get on really well.
[x] Snark! Adventures! Running! A Quarry!!! (Definitely a Quarry)
What I worry about:
[x] ZOMG! there's going to be SO MUCH WANK and not even of the good kind. I can see fandom becoming a really nasty place and that makes me really sad.
[x] RTD's inability to let go of Rose, it's turning people off the show and not even the legion of Doctor/Rose fans will keep the ratings up if everyone else goes to watch Saturday Night Takeaway. I've read so many comments on LJ, on the OG and on various newsblogs from people saying they're not going to watch it any more and that also makes me sad. I'm not giving up on my show yet (not when I've been watching for 20-odd years) but I worry that this is the death knell
[x] I've joked in the past at how RTD would probably do something to ruin the show just to piss off the next showrunner. Now my inner conspiracy theorist wonders if I'm closer to the truth than I thought.
In summary:
I'm a bit ambivalent about the whole thing at the moment edging towards the downward slope. wishing the PTB would remember that the show is about the crazy alien, not the human girl-Friday and considering investing in dinghy to ride the waves of wank.
If the episodes are done well then I'll be very very pleased, but worry it's going to be terribly self-congratulatory a la S2.
And how frustrating is it to find out on the BBC Entertainment News on a DAY WHERE I HAVE NO INTERNET AT WORK!! Gah!
Disclaimer: yes I am a Doctor/Rose shipper (more Ninth Doctor/Rose than Tenth Doctor/Rose - not even The Stone Rose could save that for me. I do have a lot of issues over Rose's characterisation in S2). I'm also a Doctor/Martha shipper, along with Doctor/Ace and Doctor/Romana and Doctor/Brig - I'm one of those loves-them-all shippers, me. I am certainly not a Rose h8r as some people seem to think (which I think is down to judging me by my f-list but there you go).
So, Rose is coming back. the Beeb have confirmed it here and here
The Facts:
[x] She's going to be in S4 NOT the Specials
[x] She's going to be in either one or three episodes (depending on who you ask)
[x] Graeme Harper is directing and according to DWM them's episodes he's working on are the Ood episode, the Agatha Christie episode and a single RTD-written episode (which is apparently Doctor!Lite according to other reports and overheard script dialogue at last night's filming)
The Speculation:
[x] Judging from the photos (taken by an OGer, pinched from
seti_drd's post (Yay for Graeme Harper in the first picture there - the man doesn't get enough love)[x] Rose is incorporeal (in a First Evil stylee)/ a figment of someone's imgination given form/projection of the TARDIS/Rose from the past/random person who looks like Rose/the Eleventh Doctor.
[x] At least one of the episodes is going to be an investigation into "how many companions a (absent) Time Lord can squeeze into a TARDIS" th lots of companions joining in the fun (DigitalSpy rumours have reported CT and Lis Sladen filming together)
[x] They sky is falling! The sky is falling!!
What I hope for:
[x] A story along the lines of
doyle_sb4's comment here (the second part of it - that would actually be something I'd enjoy watching) (and because it wouldn't be Doctor-dependent!Rose I wouldn't get annoyed by her clingy character assassination)[x] Real closure for Rose. I want her to realise/have already realised that the Doctor isn't the be-all and end-all of everything (like Donna did in the TRB and Martha did and Sarah Jane did) and move on and be Rose Tyler: Earth Defender (or whatever the spin-off was going to be called). Maybe with leet Secret Agent powers so she can teach Jack how to run TW properly. I don't want sea birds getting trapped in an oil-slick of teary mascara.
[x] Rose and Martha to finally meet and actually get on really well.
[x] Snark! Adventures! Running! A Quarry!!! (Definitely a Quarry)
What I worry about:
[x] ZOMG! there's going to be SO MUCH WANK and not even of the good kind. I can see fandom becoming a really nasty place and that makes me really sad.
[x] RTD's inability to let go of Rose, it's turning people off the show and not even the legion of Doctor/Rose fans will keep the ratings up if everyone else goes to watch Saturday Night Takeaway. I've read so many comments on LJ, on the OG and on various newsblogs from people saying they're not going to watch it any more and that also makes me sad. I'm not giving up on my show yet (not when I've been watching for 20-odd years) but I worry that this is the death knell
[x] I've joked in the past at how RTD would probably do something to ruin the show just to piss off the next showrunner. Now my inner conspiracy theorist wonders if I'm closer to the truth than I thought.
In summary:
I'm a bit ambivalent about the whole thing at the moment edging towards the downward slope. wishing the PTB would remember that the show is about the crazy alien, not the human girl-Friday and considering investing in dinghy to ride the waves of wank.
If the episodes are done well then I'll be very very pleased, but worry it's going to be terribly self-congratulatory a la S2.
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That said, I was happy to hear of Rose's return.
But then, I was happy to hear of Donna's return. And Jack's. And Martha's.
Come to think of it, the last casting spoiler I was ambivalent about was...David Tennant.
(me, in 2005: "Who the hell is this guy taking over for Eccleston?")
O THE IRONY
*facepalm*