![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
kalihaMy illustrated review is a little bit epic this week. But stick with it because I'd like your comments on some of the plot points.
On Saturday I was definitely in the annoyed camp coming out of the episode. Now that I've seen it a further three times (once to cap, twice with friends) a lot of my anger has gone, replaced instead with frustration and squee in pretty much equal handfuls. because there was a lot of stuff that was actually squeeful but it was all tempered with stuff that made me want to do physical *headdesk*-ing.
It's lucky he had Spare Hand One kicking about
It's interesting that the Doctor is able to control his regenerations all of a sudden. He's never been able to before now.
Jack can't believe his eyes, so he closes them
Poor Donna's so confused that she's looking the wrong way. Can't blame her really, it's not every day you see your designated driver go all shiny and glowy.
Tyler and Smith, together they fight crime!
If they made it a spin-off miniseries, I'd watch it. it's a bit surreal seeing Jackie handling a massive gun and clearly knowing what to do with it. (I really like her coat of awesome too, living in the parallel universe has been good for her obviously.
This is a really nifty little bit of CGI
It's nice to see that Tosh isn't forgotten. It's interesting that she created a Time Lock, presumably like the Time Lock that prevents anyone from interfering with the Time War.
O Hai you!
It's a reunion that's been a long time coming.
The problem with being so small on the outside
Is that you're just so easy to steal. All you need is a forklift or a little trolley and then you can nick off with one of the most powerful things in the whole universe. (Note how the budget has been increased to include a fourth Dalek)
It's the big yellow button!
Only this time it looks like someone has spent mor than 50p on the problem. I'm guessing that this is button 2.0. It appears very easy to use, but how do you set the co-ordinates on it. Especially when faced with a plot event like the one that comes later on?
I did an actual shudder when the Daleks all turned round
It was so precise and perfect and so, so creepy. They also looked a bit like a highly co-ordinated Dalek boyband, which, once the thought was in my head completely ruined the creepy effect. I was waiting for them to crack into a a capella version of Could it be Magic. (Although, being evil, maybe they'd prefer a bit of Westlife?)
Mickey is a man who loves his BFG
And is very sad to be parting with it. Mickey Smith, what a guy.
German Daleks for the Win!
I really hope that there's going to be kids running round their playgrounds on Monday shouting EX-TER-MINIEREN. I would be if I was eight. I thought it a bit strange that none of the German got subtitled but I think we all got the gist of what was going on. The Oncoming Apocalypse is easy to understand in any language. Helpfully the BBC website does have a translation of the script.
Meanwhile back on the TARDIS
Everything seems a bit, well, fucked, to be honest.
The wooden door is just that, wood
How on earth did the Daleks not manage to win the Time War if they were able to disable the TARDISes so easily? Did they have a gentleman's agreement with the Time Lords? Or is it because the TARDIS is an older model?
You were brilliant
Always get worried when the Doctor tells you that you're brilliant or fantastic. Something bad occuring is just around the corner.
Donna's hearing the Sound of Drums (sorta)
It would have been nice to have had this echo through more of the episodes, a bit like a verbal Bad Wolf. Oh well, too late for that sort of thing now.
It's like The Parting of the Ways all over again
See? Only with added Daleks and less Dalek Emperors.
Oi! Don't leave me in here Space Boy
The TARDIS obviously knows more than she's letting on. Why else lock Donna in? Mind you couldn't the Doctor open the doors with a click of his fingers.
Nooooooooooooooo, not the TARDIS!
There's still a Donna in there!
They're making the most of their flamey floor grills
I really don't think the TARDIS should be doing that. I wonder if there's an intergalactic RAC they can call to give the ship a once-over.
This isn't going to end well. Timey Wimey Time Lord stuff and the best temp in the south of England...
Looooooooooooooooooooms
Well, someone had to bring it up. I bet there will be anger from some parts of fandom because Blue!Doctor wasn't loomed. I hope the TARDIS doesn't suddenly decide to flame up otherwise someone's going to end up a little bit singed.
Unexpected naked Tenth Doctor
That'll raise the viewing figures. It certainly raised eyebrows in my living room.
Donna's not that impressed by what's on show
We can probably surmise from this that certain parts of a Time Lord look a lot like certain parts on a human otherwise I'm sure Donna would have made more of a reaction.
Jack! Noooooooooooooooooo!
He's the only person to have been killed twice by the Daleks (by my reckoning at least). He's a very unlucky chap. It's a good thing that he'll get better from being dead
He's deadDave Rose
I can understand the Doctor not wanting to blow Jack's cover, after all he is in rather a precarious position, but I'd hope that the Doctor or Jack would explain to Rose at some point that Jack's suffering from a nasty case of immortality. They wouldn't even need to tell Rose that she was the cause of it (sort of). Although I don't know how they'd be able to tell her the truth without giving her a lot of guilt (and amusement at Jack becoming a giant head).
That blue suit is a wonderful creation
Not only does it create a good silhouette (which Gok and co would approve of) it can also repair smashed roundels in the console room. It's nice to see that the Doctor will still take time out to repair his ship before heading off to save the universe (again).
Is it just me, or does the Blue!Doctor look very strange in a T-shirt? I don't know what it is, but it doesn't look quite right, which in retrospect is quite brilliant because it immediately sets up that although he may look like him he's not our 'Doctor' (even though technically he is). He possibly should have been a bit more ginger though. Just sayin'.
Oh! Oh!
I think this is one of my favourite scenes from the whole series. David Tennant has got Catherine Tate's mannerisms absolutely spot on. And the bit about spanners did make me laugh, as did the bit about the Doctor being like a worm (or a starfish).
Oh, I'm half human
I'm guessing RTD wasn't a subscriber to the Doctor is half human already school of thought? (Even though he's now given us a canon half human Doctor). Well that'll annoy a lot of Eighth Doctor fans. He's really not impressed by being half human though, but he really shouldn't be complaining at least he's alive.
The Doctor does a rubbish Predator impression
nil points.
Meanwhile Martha takes a side trip to Germany
And proves she paid more attention in her GCSE class than most people and can do a bit more than ask where the library or the swimming pool is. Again no subtitles, and I think they are needed a bit more in this part as it sort of explains why Martha is there.
Captain Jack, he's indestructible
As is the coat. It's not even singed. They really do make stuff very well in the 51st Century. Hands up who was disappointed with the unexpected fully-dressed Jack.
One other point, how did the Daleks lift Jack up to put him in the incinerator cart in the first place? It's not as if they have hands and they don't have human slaves to do the domestic stuff around the Crucible. Thoughts?
Damn, things aren't looking good for Sarah Jane and co
I love the way Mickey is a really reluctant prisoner.
The Doctor tries to figure out exactly what Davros is up to
I think he's figured out by now that he's not going to be using kebab!elephant feets to take over the universes.
I wonder how long it will be before someone actually invents prison cells made of light
The day it happens is the day we know that we are finally in the future and will throw away the contents of out wardrobes and replace them with silver jumpsuits (and in a retro manner Treasure Hunt will make a comeback).
Dalek Caan just giggles in the corner
I was a little bit put out by the fact was was all "What is that?" She's seen the inside of a Dalek before. It was only five years or so ago (in her timeline). I would have hoped one of my favourite episodes would have had more of a lasting impression on her. It's like everyone's forgotten Dalek. (For Example, Van Statten blathering on about how they found the 'metaltron' and didn't know what it was. Not everyone is like Donna; most people will have noticed two Dalek invasions in two years and would be unlikely to forget about it in a hurry. Although RTD seemed to have done so.)
It's the sonic lipstick!
It still looks completely wrong.
Jackie saves herself from certain doom
I love seeing Camille and Noel together, they're so lovely and touchy feely (and considering only a few years back Jackie was accusing Mickey of murdering her daughter, it's quite a change in the dynamic). It's also quite bittersweet that Mickey gets more affection from Jackie thanhe does from Rose.
The first time round I thought there was a Dalek stood in the corner in the shadows but it was just a trick of the light. Woes.
At least it's a painless way to go
Not that it's an end that I'd want for myself but it's a bit, erm, nicer (no that's not the right word) than being turned into a Cyberman or turned into a man!pig.
Another repeated shot
This time mirroring the Doctor, Martha and Jack looking out of one of the portholes of the Valiant. There's been a lot of little moments like that all the way through the series, and enough for me to think that it's more than co-incidence. I've not seen any of the Confidentials this year so I don't know if these set-ups are truly intentional or not.
More happy reunions
It's been a long time since these two were last together. And Jack probably thought Mickey was dead, he would have been listed on the rolls of the dead with Jackie and Rose after the battle of Canary Wharf and when the Doctor told Jack that Rose was still alive he didn't mention Mickey, I'm sure of it (please let me know if I'm remembering wrong). It really does look like Jack is going to give Mickey a full on snog. Bless.
It's amazing what tat soothsayers have lying around
No really, it is a massive bomb in a tiny classy necklace. It looks like something you'd get off QVC for £89.99 with 18ct gold chain and the stone isn't just diamond, oh no, it's Diamonique. Oh yes.
Calling the Dalek Crucible
Martha tales a leaf from the Doctor's book and gives the Daleks a chance while simultaneously warning them that she's got a way to stop them.
I did like her no nonsense attitude towards the Doctor. And the fact she's coping very well with her impossible decision. The fact she's threatening the Daleks with making the earth go boom doesn't necessarily mean that she'll actually doing it. Although having saved the world once I think she'd rather try to save it than blow it up.
I'm also very glad that she didn't have any bitchiness towards Rose. This pleased me greatly.
HE'S ALIVE!!!
(It always works better if you imagine it in a Brian Blessed voice.) Obviously now isn't the best time to explain just how Jack is all alive, alive-o. Oh and her mum's there. The Doctor appears to be happier to see Mickey than Rose is.
I'm a bit sad that there wasn't more interaction between Martha and Rose other than a hug and Rose thinking that Martha's rather good (which she is) and Martha being pleased to see that the Doctor has found Rose. And the complete lack of jealously between them was also pleasing because I was rather worried that the show would follow fandom and there'd be bitching and nastiness.
They shouldn't have underlit Davros's mask
because you can really clearly see his tiny tiny eyeholes.
Physical looks aside, Davros does make a very good point right about here about how the Doctor is really against violence and using guns and whatnot but has absolutely no qualms about giving his travelling companions guns and massive magical powers. (Although admittedly he doesn't give them to the others himself, but he is implicated).
All the gang all together
And doing a slighter better job of staying out of the night than the cast in The Silence in the Library.
Ooh look at them teeth
Lovely.
Menawhile on the TARDIS
Blue!Ten is just as rubbish at piloting the TARDIS as actual Doctor (even though Donna was actually quite good).
The looks of surprise and hope on everyones face was a picture
As slow-mo, backlit Blue!Ten exited the TARDIS
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Why did he run towards Davros? Why not shoot from a safe distance if he was going to shoot him? or at least distract him with blather about spanners so he could get closer without raising suspicion. He must be getting his increased impulsiveness off Donna.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Again!
It may just be a fleshwound for someone with a Time Lord's physiology (even if it's only half the physiology,) but for a human that is really going to hurt.
The Doctor doesn't seem that surprised to see that his hand has grown a body all of its own
But manages to confuse everyone with technobabble. And really it's not that much different to what Davros did with his Daleks, only the final product of the Doctor's inadvertent dabbling with cloning is much prettier.
Y HALO THAR!
Get Donna. She can technobabble just as well as the Doctor. Much to his surprise. It's interesting that the metacrisis was able to work both ways.
Jack: "I can't tell you what I'm thinking. Because this is a children's show"
Take it to the kinkmeme Jack.
ETA: it appears that he already has.
One thing I noticed about this episode is the massive amount of smiles
It's the end of the world, but everyone is smiling. Blue!Ten obviously has a bit of a thing for Doctor!Donna. (Even if she is technically him). (And I think some of it is the joy that the Doctor isn't the last Time Lord in the universe any longer). (Well done to the Ood for successfully predicting Doctor!Donna way back when; but what about the song that is ending soon, that's still not been resolved. I'm not entirely convinced that they meant River).
See, Rose and Sarah Jane are happy to see each other too
And enjoy a bit of Dalek!bowling. (Expect Dalek 10 pin bowling to be the surprise hit with kids this Christmas).
Jack's obviously working up the courage to chat up Doctor!Donna
I am the Doctor
Yeah, the impetuous, genocidal Doctor that Donna didn't like very much in the Runaway Bride. And that side of the Doctor that he tries oh so very hard to hide from his travelling companions, because he's not a very nice chap. Caan was right y'know. He really can see into the future (and hasn't read through the end of the script already).
So, how is the Doctor pushing the button and causing the death of the new new new Dalek Empire any different
To Rose and the TARDIS doing exactly the same (they even turned the Daleks into dusty atoms) and the Doctor doing the same thing during the Time War. I mean, the only time the Doctor has destroyed them (but not killed them) was when he got them sucked into the void between worlds and trapped them there.
You're fired!
I wonder if Davros will be able to rebuild the Dalek race again from just Dalek Caan and what's left of his own body. Unless there's bodies on screen I don't believe that either of them copped it when the Crucible blew up. Caan can still do an emergency time shift and if the Cult of Skaro can do it then surely Davros can too.
I'm a bit sad that, when Davros discovered that Caan has betrayed him and the Dalek race, he didn't go Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!! (So I did it for him).
A TARDIS really is better when it's full of people
It's more full of life and there really needs to be more than just one companion with the Doctor in the next full series (I'm assuming that we'll be getting some lonely!Doctor stories for the Christmas special and the Specials next year and then a new companion in the 2010 full series and likely the same companion for the 2011 full series if we getEddie Izzard a new Doctor.
Gwen Cooper have your family always lived in Cardiff?
Finally some canon confirmation that Gwen and Gwyneth are related, however distantly. Maybe people will stop going "OMG! Gwen and Gwyneth look the same!" over on![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
torch_wood, I doubt it though, I've rejected four posts on the subject already this week.
K9!!
Literally, everyone is in this episode. I thought he was guarding a black hole to stop the universe imploding or something. (The Sarah Jane Adventures are still on my list of things that I really need to catch up on and see).
The Doctor's a bit mean to Jackie
She drove the big yellow truck that helped to save the world. Pah. I think it was punishment for that time when she gave him a hefty slap. Even in such a lovely overall scene the Doctor's still a bit of a knob.
The Doctor moonlights as an RAC employee
And with the same level of sarcasm.
A couple of questions regarding towing the Earth back to where it belongs
1. Wouldn't it take absolutely ages? The Medusa cascade isn't half an hour away across space.
2. How does the earth not lose it's atmosphere? Or is this an optional extra on the TARDIS:
3. How can you use the Rift as a tow rope?
4. why didn't the Earth rip apart?
I know I should be enjoying the spectacle and if I was eight again I probably would be. But it was a little bit too silly, even for Doctor Who. Anyone with some knowledge of physics, physics, physics able to help me out a bit here on the skience?
Hugz tiem nao!
Yay! Everybody lived! It's something that doesn't happen very often on such a jeopardy friendly show so it's nice to see the happiness. I was sitting there with a massive smile on my face.
Even Blue!Ten is getting in on the hugging
Mickey's loving every second of it
It's a hard job, hugging beautiful wimmins (and John Barrowman) all day, and Noel gets paid for it. Brilliant!
This should have been ever so slightly more centre stage
And a bit more in slow motion. It was an absolute bugger to screencap.
Group hug time!
The Doctor was obviously a bit jealous of the girl!hugging and wanted a piece of it.
can I haz a theory
Yes I can.
The reason (I think) that Jack wouldn't hug Donna dates back to the good old days, with bananas, the Blitz and scary gas-masked children. The Doctor warning Jack (rather pointedly) off fraternising with the other Companions and probably threatened to airlock him or something. This doesn't mean that Jack didn't want to give Donna some love, just that he'd prefer not to get airlocked if he did.
Time for goodbyes
Sarah Jane makes a very good point about the Doctor. He does have a massive family of exasperated humans all over the world, all through time. It's just his refusing to look back that cuts him off from them.
Mickey's going to miss Jackie so much
I feel quite sad for him. I've mentioned before how strange it is that he's ended up so much closer to Jackie than to Rose.
Jack starts up a charm offensive
Oh hey Martha, UNIT's a bit square, how do you fancy working in a prime city centre location with sea views and an office pterodatyl that has a bit of a thing for you?
Mickey's much too cool to hug the Doctor
Jack pretends he's not happy to see Mickey
but his denials are all lies! Lies I tell you.
Y HALO THAR very cold wintery beach in South Wales
Jackie's taking the whole two Doctor's thing completely in her stride bless her. And her "oh by the way I named my baby after you" had me giggling. ILU Jackie and I am really sad, that again we're saying goodbye to her, because she has been quite consistently written across the years and has really developed from a slightly scary mum into a fully formed character of her own.
Then again, the walls between the realities could fall again in the next couple of years and she could be back. There are no real goodbyes in New!Who
The Doctor is rubbish at goodbye. Again.
It's a good thing that Donna's there to do it for him. :/
Rose is given Blue!Doctor to look after
I'm still undecided whether or not this is worse for Rose than being abandoned on the beach in the first place. Yes he's the Doctor and he's got the Doctor's memories, and hair and whatnot, but he's still not the Doctor she fell in love with (even though Ten isn't the Doctor she fell in love with either to be honest) and Blue!Doctor's also part-Donna with her memories and whatnot too.
She's been left with someone who looks like the man she loves, but really isn't, because he's off in his shiny blue box to have mad old adventures in an alternate universe, leaving her to try and fix a broken man who is coming with all the emotional baggage that comes with being the last Time Lord coupled with the fact he's not even alien now and all the issues associated with that.
Poor Rose.
It's a bit of a bum deal for Blue!Doctor too
The Doctor has to keep moving, keep travelling, keep seeing new places. It's partly wht he picks up new Companions, so when he gets jaded and cynical he can see the world anew through their eyes.
And we know that he doesn't really cope well with exile to Earth. I was reading on the DW site that in an earlier draft the Doctor gave Blue!Doctor a bit of TARDIS coral so he could grow his own TARDIS (even though it's been said that it's a process that takes thousands of years - although I'm really not sure now if that's fanon or canon (I know Set Designer Ed Thomas has said that but I don't remember if it's ever been mentioned on the actual show). That's actually a rather cruel gift to give to someone who's only got a human lifespan.
What I don't get is why the Doctor was so keen to dump his genocidal self, yet was willing to take the Master and love him and squish him and call him fluffy. Is it because he doesn't want to be faced with this version of him which is more true to how he actually is, all Oncoming Storm? He doesn't want future travelling companions to realise the sort of man he really is?
Rose wants answers, but still the Doctor won't play it straight with her
And probably never will. Poor Rose.
I said, Rose Tyler, would you like to go out for some chips?
And then there was some kissing
That looked absolutely awful on screen, but looked so, so much better fron the behind the scenes camera on the Confidential. It was a much better angle.
The Doctor uses Rose's distraction to do a runner.
Wimp.
I am glad that Rose wasn't left sobbing on the beach again and I do hope that her life works out for her. I hope she doesn't grow to loathe Blue!Doctor because he's not the real Doctor and I hope they go off on marvellous adventures and save the world on a regular basis.
They'll be working at alt!Torchwood (which really isn't that much different to the Doctor working at UNIT back in the seventies/whenever) and the human race is moving towards time travel and he could probably turn the Dimension Cannon that alt!Torchwood built into some form of space/time ship with a couple of rubberbands and a bit of sticky-backed plastic, and some shouting. Maybe they could go to the planet of the hats.
Sadly it also sucks to be Donna
Time Lord brains are too big to fit into a human head and Donna is suffering the consequences. Look, even the Doctor's devestasted, and quite right too. (Although he'd probably blame it on Blue!Doctor).
I don't think the Doctor was right to wipe Donna's memories. But I don't think that's what he did. I know that he told Donna that was what he was going to do, but less than a minute later he's telling Wilf and Sylvia not to tell Donna what she did, because then she'll remember and her head will go boom.
My investigative skills therefore deduce that he's not actually wiped Donna's memories, because if he had then she wouldn't remember a thing even if Wilf and Sylvia showed her photos. My investigative skills have therefore decided that the Doctor has actually just locked away her memories, but instead of sticking them in a fobwatch he's just left them in a hidden, password-protected folder in her mind. Donna acrually is a fobwatched Donna. No one called that.
Unrelatedly to my last point
David Tennant is practically doing to splits in order to make a nice close-up composition.
I think the Doctor truly regrets what he did
But at the same time he's absolutely convinced that he's done the right thing. She may be changed, well regressed, but at least she's alive.
And Wilf's right, Donna was better with the Doctor, but her potential to be a better person is always there, she just needs to be nudged into making the right choices (like turning left at a t-junction) in order for her to realise her potential. I think with Wilf and Sylvia's help she may actually manage to do it too.
The Doctor tries to say goodbye
But Donna, just brushes him off. Poor Doctor, but this is him punishing himself.
I'm not crying
it's just raining on my face.
I'm quite sad to see the back of Wilf too
Because he was just as awesome as Donna.
Lonely God is lonely
I do have this feeling that it'll take him a while to pick up a permanent travelling companion. His hearts can't take it.
In Conclusion
The Moral of the story: NEVER, NEVER, say that you are going to travel with the Doctor forever. It will not end well for you. (Let's look at the evidence: Rose, trapped in a parallel universe with a clone of the man she loves; Donna, fobwatched without the fobwatch.)
I do not like the big spectacle RTD stories. He tries to cram too much stuff in and have so much spectacle, that a lot of important stuff suffers, like plot resolution, and plot in general. The scene with the Doctor and Doctor!Donna having her mindwiped would have benefited greatly with a bit more dialogue rather than the Doctor just going in and wiping her mind, instead of going for the emotional blugeoning have made it a bit more subtle and more heartbreaking instead of making the Doctor act like a complete heartless twat. Just sayin'. With a less rushed script and a bit more detail I think I would have loved this episode a lot more (because I loved 2/3 of it almost unreservedly).
In my head in the seconds between the Doctor saying sorry and Donna getting fobwatched they had a massive blazing row completely psychically and Donna gave him permission to do what they did.
Enough of the Daleks already. I know full well that they'll be back because Caan and Davros are still alive. No bodies, no proof of death.
I hope a lovely velvet pinstriped suit replaces the blue suit now lost to a parallel world. I didn't mind the blue suit, I will miss the red Converse though. (Sorry had a bit of a Gok moment then).
But there was a lot of loved about the episode, mostly Doctor and Donna scenes to be honest and Martha being all badass and everyone helping to fly the TARDIS and all the happiness before the downhill roll of the last act.
I never thought, back in the days of The Runaway Bride that I'd ever be saying this, but, Donna Noble I'll miss you. (And you should have slapped the Doctor more).
On Saturday 6/10
Today 8/10
On Saturday I was definitely in the annoyed camp coming out of the episode. Now that I've seen it a further three times (once to cap, twice with friends) a lot of my anger has gone, replaced instead with frustration and squee in pretty much equal handfuls. because there was a lot of stuff that was actually squeeful but it was all tempered with stuff that made me want to do physical *headdesk*-ing.
It's lucky he had Spare Hand One kicking about
It's interesting that the Doctor is able to control his regenerations all of a sudden. He's never been able to before now.
Jack can't believe his eyes, so he closes them
Poor Donna's so confused that she's looking the wrong way. Can't blame her really, it's not every day you see your designated driver go all shiny and glowy.
Tyler and Smith, together they fight crime!
If they made it a spin-off miniseries, I'd watch it. it's a bit surreal seeing Jackie handling a massive gun and clearly knowing what to do with it. (I really like her coat of awesome too, living in the parallel universe has been good for her obviously.
This is a really nifty little bit of CGI
It's nice to see that Tosh isn't forgotten. It's interesting that she created a Time Lock, presumably like the Time Lock that prevents anyone from interfering with the Time War.
O Hai you!
It's a reunion that's been a long time coming.
The problem with being so small on the outside
Is that you're just so easy to steal. All you need is a forklift or a little trolley and then you can nick off with one of the most powerful things in the whole universe. (Note how the budget has been increased to include a fourth Dalek)
It's the big yellow button!
Only this time it looks like someone has spent mor than 50p on the problem. I'm guessing that this is button 2.0. It appears very easy to use, but how do you set the co-ordinates on it. Especially when faced with a plot event like the one that comes later on?
I did an actual shudder when the Daleks all turned round
It was so precise and perfect and so, so creepy. They also looked a bit like a highly co-ordinated Dalek boyband, which, once the thought was in my head completely ruined the creepy effect. I was waiting for them to crack into a a capella version of Could it be Magic. (Although, being evil, maybe they'd prefer a bit of Westlife?)
Mickey is a man who loves his BFG
And is very sad to be parting with it. Mickey Smith, what a guy.
German Daleks for the Win!
I really hope that there's going to be kids running round their playgrounds on Monday shouting EX-TER-MINIEREN. I would be if I was eight. I thought it a bit strange that none of the German got subtitled but I think we all got the gist of what was going on. The Oncoming Apocalypse is easy to understand in any language. Helpfully the BBC website does have a translation of the script.
Meanwhile back on the TARDIS
Everything seems a bit, well, fucked, to be honest.
The wooden door is just that, wood
How on earth did the Daleks not manage to win the Time War if they were able to disable the TARDISes so easily? Did they have a gentleman's agreement with the Time Lords? Or is it because the TARDIS is an older model?
You were brilliant
Always get worried when the Doctor tells you that you're brilliant or fantastic. Something bad occuring is just around the corner.
Donna's hearing the Sound of Drums (sorta)
It would have been nice to have had this echo through more of the episodes, a bit like a verbal Bad Wolf. Oh well, too late for that sort of thing now.
It's like The Parting of the Ways all over again
See? Only with added Daleks and less Dalek Emperors.
Oi! Don't leave me in here Space Boy
The TARDIS obviously knows more than she's letting on. Why else lock Donna in? Mind you couldn't the Doctor open the doors with a click of his fingers.
Nooooooooooooooo, not the TARDIS!
There's still a Donna in there!
They're making the most of their flamey floor grills
I really don't think the TARDIS should be doing that. I wonder if there's an intergalactic RAC they can call to give the ship a once-over.
This isn't going to end well. Timey Wimey Time Lord stuff and the best temp in the south of England...
Looooooooooooooooooooms
Well, someone had to bring it up. I bet there will be anger from some parts of fandom because Blue!Doctor wasn't loomed. I hope the TARDIS doesn't suddenly decide to flame up otherwise someone's going to end up a little bit singed.
Unexpected naked Tenth Doctor
That'll raise the viewing figures. It certainly raised eyebrows in my living room.
Donna's not that impressed by what's on show
We can probably surmise from this that certain parts of a Time Lord look a lot like certain parts on a human otherwise I'm sure Donna would have made more of a reaction.
Jack! Noooooooooooooooooo!
He's the only person to have been killed twice by the Daleks (by my reckoning at least). He's a very unlucky chap. It's a good thing that he'll get better from being dead
He's dead
I can understand the Doctor not wanting to blow Jack's cover, after all he is in rather a precarious position, but I'd hope that the Doctor or Jack would explain to Rose at some point that Jack's suffering from a nasty case of immortality. They wouldn't even need to tell Rose that she was the cause of it (sort of). Although I don't know how they'd be able to tell her the truth without giving her a lot of guilt (and amusement at Jack becoming a giant head).
That blue suit is a wonderful creation
Not only does it create a good silhouette (which Gok and co would approve of) it can also repair smashed roundels in the console room. It's nice to see that the Doctor will still take time out to repair his ship before heading off to save the universe (again).
Is it just me, or does the Blue!Doctor look very strange in a T-shirt? I don't know what it is, but it doesn't look quite right, which in retrospect is quite brilliant because it immediately sets up that although he may look like him he's not our 'Doctor' (even though technically he is). He possibly should have been a bit more ginger though. Just sayin'.
Oh! Oh!
I think this is one of my favourite scenes from the whole series. David Tennant has got Catherine Tate's mannerisms absolutely spot on. And the bit about spanners did make me laugh, as did the bit about the Doctor being like a worm (or a starfish).
Oh, I'm half human
I'm guessing RTD wasn't a subscriber to the Doctor is half human already school of thought? (Even though he's now given us a canon half human Doctor). Well that'll annoy a lot of Eighth Doctor fans. He's really not impressed by being half human though, but he really shouldn't be complaining at least he's alive.
The Doctor does a rubbish Predator impression
nil points.
Meanwhile Martha takes a side trip to Germany
And proves she paid more attention in her GCSE class than most people and can do a bit more than ask where the library or the swimming pool is. Again no subtitles, and I think they are needed a bit more in this part as it sort of explains why Martha is there.
Captain Jack, he's indestructible
As is the coat. It's not even singed. They really do make stuff very well in the 51st Century. Hands up who was disappointed with the unexpected fully-dressed Jack.
One other point, how did the Daleks lift Jack up to put him in the incinerator cart in the first place? It's not as if they have hands and they don't have human slaves to do the domestic stuff around the Crucible. Thoughts?
Damn, things aren't looking good for Sarah Jane and co
I love the way Mickey is a really reluctant prisoner.
The Doctor tries to figure out exactly what Davros is up to
I think he's figured out by now that he's not going to be using kebab!elephant feets to take over the universes.
I wonder how long it will be before someone actually invents prison cells made of light
The day it happens is the day we know that we are finally in the future and will throw away the contents of out wardrobes and replace them with silver jumpsuits (and in a retro manner Treasure Hunt will make a comeback).
Dalek Caan just giggles in the corner
I was a little bit put out by the fact was was all "What is that?" She's seen the inside of a Dalek before. It was only five years or so ago (in her timeline). I would have hoped one of my favourite episodes would have had more of a lasting impression on her. It's like everyone's forgotten Dalek. (For Example, Van Statten blathering on about how they found the 'metaltron' and didn't know what it was. Not everyone is like Donna; most people will have noticed two Dalek invasions in two years and would be unlikely to forget about it in a hurry. Although RTD seemed to have done so.)
It's the sonic lipstick!
It still looks completely wrong.
Jackie saves herself from certain doom
I love seeing Camille and Noel together, they're so lovely and touchy feely (and considering only a few years back Jackie was accusing Mickey of murdering her daughter, it's quite a change in the dynamic). It's also quite bittersweet that Mickey gets more affection from Jackie thanhe does from Rose.
The first time round I thought there was a Dalek stood in the corner in the shadows but it was just a trick of the light. Woes.
At least it's a painless way to go
Not that it's an end that I'd want for myself but it's a bit, erm, nicer (no that's not the right word) than being turned into a Cyberman or turned into a man!pig.
Another repeated shot
This time mirroring the Doctor, Martha and Jack looking out of one of the portholes of the Valiant. There's been a lot of little moments like that all the way through the series, and enough for me to think that it's more than co-incidence. I've not seen any of the Confidentials this year so I don't know if these set-ups are truly intentional or not.
More happy reunions
It's been a long time since these two were last together. And Jack probably thought Mickey was dead, he would have been listed on the rolls of the dead with Jackie and Rose after the battle of Canary Wharf and when the Doctor told Jack that Rose was still alive he didn't mention Mickey, I'm sure of it (please let me know if I'm remembering wrong). It really does look like Jack is going to give Mickey a full on snog. Bless.
It's amazing what tat soothsayers have lying around
No really, it is a massive bomb in a tiny classy necklace. It looks like something you'd get off QVC for £89.99 with 18ct gold chain and the stone isn't just diamond, oh no, it's Diamonique. Oh yes.
Calling the Dalek Crucible
Martha tales a leaf from the Doctor's book and gives the Daleks a chance while simultaneously warning them that she's got a way to stop them.
I did like her no nonsense attitude towards the Doctor. And the fact she's coping very well with her impossible decision. The fact she's threatening the Daleks with making the earth go boom doesn't necessarily mean that she'll actually doing it. Although having saved the world once I think she'd rather try to save it than blow it up.
I'm also very glad that she didn't have any bitchiness towards Rose. This pleased me greatly.
HE'S ALIVE!!!
(It always works better if you imagine it in a Brian Blessed voice.) Obviously now isn't the best time to explain just how Jack is all alive, alive-o. Oh and her mum's there. The Doctor appears to be happier to see Mickey than Rose is.
I'm a bit sad that there wasn't more interaction between Martha and Rose other than a hug and Rose thinking that Martha's rather good (which she is) and Martha being pleased to see that the Doctor has found Rose. And the complete lack of jealously between them was also pleasing because I was rather worried that the show would follow fandom and there'd be bitching and nastiness.
They shouldn't have underlit Davros's mask
because you can really clearly see his tiny tiny eyeholes.
Physical looks aside, Davros does make a very good point right about here about how the Doctor is really against violence and using guns and whatnot but has absolutely no qualms about giving his travelling companions guns and massive magical powers. (Although admittedly he doesn't give them to the others himself, but he is implicated).
All the gang all together
And doing a slighter better job of staying out of the night than the cast in The Silence in the Library.
Ooh look at them teeth
Lovely.
Menawhile on the TARDIS
Blue!Ten is just as rubbish at piloting the TARDIS as actual Doctor (even though Donna was actually quite good).
The looks of surprise and hope on everyones face was a picture
As slow-mo, backlit Blue!Ten exited the TARDIS
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Why did he run towards Davros? Why not shoot from a safe distance if he was going to shoot him? or at least distract him with blather about spanners so he could get closer without raising suspicion. He must be getting his increased impulsiveness off Donna.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Again!
It may just be a fleshwound for someone with a Time Lord's physiology (even if it's only half the physiology,) but for a human that is really going to hurt.
The Doctor doesn't seem that surprised to see that his hand has grown a body all of its own
But manages to confuse everyone with technobabble. And really it's not that much different to what Davros did with his Daleks, only the final product of the Doctor's inadvertent dabbling with cloning is much prettier.
Y HALO THAR!
Get Donna. She can technobabble just as well as the Doctor. Much to his surprise. It's interesting that the metacrisis was able to work both ways.
Jack: "I can't tell you what I'm thinking. Because this is a children's show"
Take it to the kinkmeme Jack.
ETA: it appears that he already has.
One thing I noticed about this episode is the massive amount of smiles
It's the end of the world, but everyone is smiling. Blue!Ten obviously has a bit of a thing for Doctor!Donna. (Even if she is technically him). (And I think some of it is the joy that the Doctor isn't the last Time Lord in the universe any longer). (Well done to the Ood for successfully predicting Doctor!Donna way back when; but what about the song that is ending soon, that's still not been resolved. I'm not entirely convinced that they meant River).
See, Rose and Sarah Jane are happy to see each other too
And enjoy a bit of Dalek!bowling. (Expect Dalek 10 pin bowling to be the surprise hit with kids this Christmas).
Jack's obviously working up the courage to chat up Doctor!Donna
I am the Doctor
Yeah, the impetuous, genocidal Doctor that Donna didn't like very much in the Runaway Bride. And that side of the Doctor that he tries oh so very hard to hide from his travelling companions, because he's not a very nice chap. Caan was right y'know. He really can see into the future (and hasn't read through the end of the script already).
So, how is the Doctor pushing the button and causing the death of the new new new Dalek Empire any different
To Rose and the TARDIS doing exactly the same (they even turned the Daleks into dusty atoms) and the Doctor doing the same thing during the Time War. I mean, the only time the Doctor has destroyed them (but not killed them) was when he got them sucked into the void between worlds and trapped them there.
You're fired!
I wonder if Davros will be able to rebuild the Dalek race again from just Dalek Caan and what's left of his own body. Unless there's bodies on screen I don't believe that either of them copped it when the Crucible blew up. Caan can still do an emergency time shift and if the Cult of Skaro can do it then surely Davros can too.
I'm a bit sad that, when Davros discovered that Caan has betrayed him and the Dalek race, he didn't go Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!! (So I did it for him).
A TARDIS really is better when it's full of people
It's more full of life and there really needs to be more than just one companion with the Doctor in the next full series (I'm assuming that we'll be getting some lonely!Doctor stories for the Christmas special and the Specials next year and then a new companion in the 2010 full series and likely the same companion for the 2011 full series if we get
Gwen Cooper have your family always lived in Cardiff?
Finally some canon confirmation that Gwen and Gwyneth are related, however distantly. Maybe people will stop going "OMG! Gwen and Gwyneth look the same!" over on
torch_wood, I doubt it though, I've rejected four posts on the subject already this week.K9!!
Literally, everyone is in this episode. I thought he was guarding a black hole to stop the universe imploding or something. (The Sarah Jane Adventures are still on my list of things that I really need to catch up on and see).
The Doctor's a bit mean to Jackie
She drove the big yellow truck that helped to save the world. Pah. I think it was punishment for that time when she gave him a hefty slap. Even in such a lovely overall scene the Doctor's still a bit of a knob.
The Doctor moonlights as an RAC employee
And with the same level of sarcasm.
A couple of questions regarding towing the Earth back to where it belongs
1. Wouldn't it take absolutely ages? The Medusa cascade isn't half an hour away across space.
2. How does the earth not lose it's atmosphere? Or is this an optional extra on the TARDIS:
3. How can you use the Rift as a tow rope?
4. why didn't the Earth rip apart?
I know I should be enjoying the spectacle and if I was eight again I probably would be. But it was a little bit too silly, even for Doctor Who. Anyone with some knowledge of physics, physics, physics able to help me out a bit here on the skience?
Hugz tiem nao!
Yay! Everybody lived! It's something that doesn't happen very often on such a jeopardy friendly show so it's nice to see the happiness. I was sitting there with a massive smile on my face.
Even Blue!Ten is getting in on the hugging
Mickey's loving every second of it
It's a hard job, hugging beautiful wimmins (and John Barrowman) all day, and Noel gets paid for it. Brilliant!
This should have been ever so slightly more centre stage
And a bit more in slow motion. It was an absolute bugger to screencap.
Group hug time!
The Doctor was obviously a bit jealous of the girl!hugging and wanted a piece of it.
can I haz a theory
Yes I can.
The reason (I think) that Jack wouldn't hug Donna dates back to the good old days, with bananas, the Blitz and scary gas-masked children. The Doctor warning Jack (rather pointedly) off fraternising with the other Companions and probably threatened to airlock him or something. This doesn't mean that Jack didn't want to give Donna some love, just that he'd prefer not to get airlocked if he did.
Time for goodbyes
Sarah Jane makes a very good point about the Doctor. He does have a massive family of exasperated humans all over the world, all through time. It's just his refusing to look back that cuts him off from them.
Mickey's going to miss Jackie so much
I feel quite sad for him. I've mentioned before how strange it is that he's ended up so much closer to Jackie than to Rose.
Jack starts up a charm offensive
Oh hey Martha, UNIT's a bit square, how do you fancy working in a prime city centre location with sea views and an office pterodatyl that has a bit of a thing for you?
Mickey's much too cool to hug the Doctor
Jack pretends he's not happy to see Mickey
but his denials are all lies! Lies I tell you.
Y HALO THAR very cold wintery beach in South Wales
Jackie's taking the whole two Doctor's thing completely in her stride bless her. And her "oh by the way I named my baby after you" had me giggling. ILU Jackie and I am really sad, that again we're saying goodbye to her, because she has been quite consistently written across the years and has really developed from a slightly scary mum into a fully formed character of her own.
Then again, the walls between the realities could fall again in the next couple of years and she could be back. There are no real goodbyes in New!Who
The Doctor is rubbish at goodbye. Again.
It's a good thing that Donna's there to do it for him. :/
Rose is given Blue!Doctor to look after
I'm still undecided whether or not this is worse for Rose than being abandoned on the beach in the first place. Yes he's the Doctor and he's got the Doctor's memories, and hair and whatnot, but he's still not the Doctor she fell in love with (even though Ten isn't the Doctor she fell in love with either to be honest) and Blue!Doctor's also part-Donna with her memories and whatnot too.
She's been left with someone who looks like the man she loves, but really isn't, because he's off in his shiny blue box to have mad old adventures in an alternate universe, leaving her to try and fix a broken man who is coming with all the emotional baggage that comes with being the last Time Lord coupled with the fact he's not even alien now and all the issues associated with that.
Poor Rose.
It's a bit of a bum deal for Blue!Doctor too
The Doctor has to keep moving, keep travelling, keep seeing new places. It's partly wht he picks up new Companions, so when he gets jaded and cynical he can see the world anew through their eyes.
And we know that he doesn't really cope well with exile to Earth. I was reading on the DW site that in an earlier draft the Doctor gave Blue!Doctor a bit of TARDIS coral so he could grow his own TARDIS (even though it's been said that it's a process that takes thousands of years - although I'm really not sure now if that's fanon or canon (I know Set Designer Ed Thomas has said that but I don't remember if it's ever been mentioned on the actual show). That's actually a rather cruel gift to give to someone who's only got a human lifespan.
What I don't get is why the Doctor was so keen to dump his genocidal self, yet was willing to take the Master and love him and squish him and call him fluffy. Is it because he doesn't want to be faced with this version of him which is more true to how he actually is, all Oncoming Storm? He doesn't want future travelling companions to realise the sort of man he really is?
Rose wants answers, but still the Doctor won't play it straight with her
And probably never will. Poor Rose.
I said, Rose Tyler, would you like to go out for some chips?
And then there was some kissing
That looked absolutely awful on screen, but looked so, so much better fron the behind the scenes camera on the Confidential. It was a much better angle.
The Doctor uses Rose's distraction to do a runner.
Wimp.
I am glad that Rose wasn't left sobbing on the beach again and I do hope that her life works out for her. I hope she doesn't grow to loathe Blue!Doctor because he's not the real Doctor and I hope they go off on marvellous adventures and save the world on a regular basis.
They'll be working at alt!Torchwood (which really isn't that much different to the Doctor working at UNIT back in the seventies/whenever) and the human race is moving towards time travel and he could probably turn the Dimension Cannon that alt!Torchwood built into some form of space/time ship with a couple of rubberbands and a bit of sticky-backed plastic, and some shouting. Maybe they could go to the planet of the hats.
Sadly it also sucks to be Donna
Time Lord brains are too big to fit into a human head and Donna is suffering the consequences. Look, even the Doctor's devestasted, and quite right too. (Although he'd probably blame it on Blue!Doctor).
I don't think the Doctor was right to wipe Donna's memories. But I don't think that's what he did. I know that he told Donna that was what he was going to do, but less than a minute later he's telling Wilf and Sylvia not to tell Donna what she did, because then she'll remember and her head will go boom.
My investigative skills therefore deduce that he's not actually wiped Donna's memories, because if he had then she wouldn't remember a thing even if Wilf and Sylvia showed her photos. My investigative skills have therefore decided that the Doctor has actually just locked away her memories, but instead of sticking them in a fobwatch he's just left them in a hidden, password-protected folder in her mind. Donna acrually is a fobwatched Donna. No one called that.
Unrelatedly to my last point
David Tennant is practically doing to splits in order to make a nice close-up composition.
I think the Doctor truly regrets what he did
But at the same time he's absolutely convinced that he's done the right thing. She may be changed, well regressed, but at least she's alive.
And Wilf's right, Donna was better with the Doctor, but her potential to be a better person is always there, she just needs to be nudged into making the right choices (like turning left at a t-junction) in order for her to realise her potential. I think with Wilf and Sylvia's help she may actually manage to do it too.
The Doctor tries to say goodbye
But Donna, just brushes him off. Poor Doctor, but this is him punishing himself.
I'm not crying
it's just raining on my face.
I'm quite sad to see the back of Wilf too
Because he was just as awesome as Donna.
Lonely God is lonely
I do have this feeling that it'll take him a while to pick up a permanent travelling companion. His hearts can't take it.
In Conclusion
The Moral of the story: NEVER, NEVER, say that you are going to travel with the Doctor forever. It will not end well for you. (Let's look at the evidence: Rose, trapped in a parallel universe with a clone of the man she loves; Donna, fobwatched without the fobwatch.)
I do not like the big spectacle RTD stories. He tries to cram too much stuff in and have so much spectacle, that a lot of important stuff suffers, like plot resolution, and plot in general. The scene with the Doctor and Doctor!Donna having her mindwiped would have benefited greatly with a bit more dialogue rather than the Doctor just going in and wiping her mind, instead of going for the emotional blugeoning have made it a bit more subtle and more heartbreaking instead of making the Doctor act like a complete heartless twat. Just sayin'. With a less rushed script and a bit more detail I think I would have loved this episode a lot more (because I loved 2/3 of it almost unreservedly).
In my head in the seconds between the Doctor saying sorry and Donna getting fobwatched they had a massive blazing row completely psychically and Donna gave him permission to do what they did.
Enough of the Daleks already. I know full well that they'll be back because Caan and Davros are still alive. No bodies, no proof of death.
I hope a lovely velvet pinstriped suit replaces the blue suit now lost to a parallel world. I didn't mind the blue suit, I will miss the red Converse though. (Sorry had a bit of a Gok moment then).
But there was a lot of loved about the episode, mostly Doctor and Donna scenes to be honest and Martha being all badass and everyone helping to fly the TARDIS and all the happiness before the downhill roll of the last act.
I never thought, back in the days of The Runaway Bride that I'd ever be saying this, but, Donna Noble I'll miss you. (And you should have slapped the Doctor more).
On Saturday 6/10
Today 8/10
![[identity profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/openid.png){kind=small}
(no subject)
Date: Tuesday, July 8th, 2008 11:15 pm (UTC)In fact he DOES mention Mickey to Jack in Utopia, when he's explaining where Rose has gone: "Parallel world, safe and sound. And Mickey. And her mother."
(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 07:16 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: Tuesday, July 8th, 2008 11:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 12:08 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 07:18 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 05:09 am (UTC)One word: layers. I always saw the clothes as a little metaphorical, since he keeps himself plenty guarded in a lot of ways. (Nine was the same way -- it's the reason I found myself raising my eyebrows in Father's Day when he took off his jacket for once.) So that t-shirt moment got me even more than naked!Doctor did, in a way. ;) It seemed so weirdly casual for him; you almost never see him without that outer shell.
There's a fic in that, and I've been thinking around it for quite a while. One of these days I'll figure it out. :)
(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 07:18 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 06:24 am (UTC)And I totally agree with you about RTD and spectacle. He should still to the small-scale stuff - like "Smith and Jones", which I just re-watched on Sunday and which is almost perfect for me (the only bit I hate is Annalise)... It's when he tries to force DW into an action movie scenario that it falls apart. One reason I'm not looking forward to next year's specials.
A lot of people are saying Donna's memories have been fobwatched - and I'm convinced that Martha (who's very peristent and patient) could figure out a way to bring them back without killing Donna - and I think she'd want to, 'cos she clearly got on very well with Donna.
If I believed in prayer, I'd be praying for Moffat to give us a TARDIS trio (at least) for 2010.
(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 08:34 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 07:20 pm (UTC)I know. I was a bit sadden by the lack of that, does this mean that some time (decades, centuries) will pass between the finale and the Christmas Special.
(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 10:18 am (UTC)I love Jackie, and now there's a Doctor!lite in the AU, maybe one of those specials will be made there instead.
I love Donna and am very glad that you've suggested that her memories are locked and not wiped as that means that one day we might see the improved Donna back. Either that or I wish she'll get a good job and some self-confidence and self-worth.
And in the meantime, I will finally post my notes and then I'm going looking for AU fic...
(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 07:21 pm (UTC)There's craploads of AU fic, I'm going to make a big fic rec post this week linking to all the stuff I really liked.
(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 12:24 pm (UTC)The way I see it, those subsequent events hadn't happened yet. Wibbly wobbly timey wimey.
So, how is the Doctor pushing the button and causing the death of the new new new Dalek Empire any different To Rose and the TARDIS doing exactly the same (they even turned the Daleks into dusty atoms) and the Doctor doing the same thing during the Time War.
I think it has different effects because she passed out and forgot the whole thing.
I know I should be enjoying the spectacle and if I was eight again I probably would be.
I thoroughly enjoyed that bit. Probably because of the actors and the composer, mostly. I didn't not believe it for a second.
That's actually a rather cruel gift to give to someone who's only got a human lifespan.
Not to mention, incredibly problematic. I don't think he'd want a genocidal second version of him running around, potentially re-writing history. And what would happen to it when they both died? I'm glad they kept this bit out. It also makes it less likely that we'll see a spin-off of them.
Is it because he doesn't want to be faced with this version of him which is more true to how he actually is, all Oncoming Storm? He doesn't want future travelling companions to realise the sort of man he really is?
I actually think it's simpler than that; he said to Rose he couldn't bear seeing people he loved grow old and wither and die. Imagine watching that happen to a version of yourself.
That looked absolutely awful on screen, but looked so, so much better fron the behind the scenes camera on the Confidential.
Totally. In that take it actually looked like the DoctorDonna was getting stuck in.
The Moral of the story: NEVER, NEVER, say that you are going to travel with the Doctor forever. It will not end well for you.
It's quite ironic that after getting shafted by the Doctor, it turns out Martha had the best ending of them all. And you could say that's because she went into the TARDIS always intending to leave at some point. Which is kind of like life really, in that you should never let a romantic interest become the centrepoint of your life.
Answering questions
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 12:37 pm (UTC)The TARDIS is a pretty powerful machine if it can orbit a black hole and not get sucked in, then it can certainly move a planet through space in a short space of time.
2. How does the earth not lose it's atmosphere? Or is this an optional extra on the TARDIS:
I think the two Doctors stabilised the Earth using the Dalek technology then used the TARDIS + Rift to maintain the atmosphere until it went back to it's original position in time and space.
3. How can you use the Rift as a tow rope? Rift powers the TARDIS engines - therefore you could power those engines by looping the rift through them thus creating a tow rope of sorts. Think of the rift going through those engines like a lassoo (sp?) and the TARDIS then locking onto the Earth's original co-ordinates and then moving towards it. Childs play for a Time Lord (the Time Lords had the power to move planets as well, they moved Earth in the classic series i believe).
4. why didn't the Earth rip apart? I'm guessing the TARDIS nullified the effects of gravity on the Earth while it was moving back into it's proper place. RTD said that's the first time we've seen the TARDIS at full power and he thinks it can do pretty much anything. Though he would say that.
(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 12:42 pm (UTC)Battle TARDISes were mentioned in one of the spin off books for the new series, so i imagine those types of TARDIS would be very hard to break into, even when powered down.
As for the Time War, i'm guessing it was a mixture of space battles and the Time Vortex being used as a weapon by the Time Lords and Daleks against each other. So basically they were evenly matched until the Doctor decided to commit a double dose of Genocide by blowing up Gallifrey.
(no subject)
Date: Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 08:16 pm (UTC)+ Unaffected = males (my best friend Sam and my Dad)
+ "GUH"/*intake of breath* = females (myself and my best friend Grace)
German Daleks for the win!
Why did he run towards Davros? Why not shoot from a safe distance if he was going to shoot him? I did question my room of people as to why he didn't shoot him from the doorway. Bloody dramatics.
Jack: "I can't tell you what I'm thinking." We all laughed, which really shows the difference from when I started watching the show at 15 to when I'm watching it now, at 19. Oh dear.
I liked that Rose and The Doctor recognised Gwen. I little nod to Nine way back when.
It's a hard job, hugging beautiful wimmins (and John Barrowman) all day, and Noel gets paid for it. Brilliant! Love Mickey's face in that cap. And your sentence there made me chuckle!
I'm glad you agree the Doctor is a wimp in that last scene. I would have liked him to say goodbye to Rose, but the fact is one Doctor can tell her what she wants to hear and the other can't.
Yay for recap!
(no subject)
Date: Thursday, July 10th, 2008 11:50 am (UTC)And the whole thing was missing the Martha/Rose team-up and leave everyone else behind section that would have led to the incredibly hot spin-off where they have a Mulder and Scully type thing and leave the bloody Doctor behind.
I realise from my reviews of your reviews it sounds like I hate Doctor Who but I really don't. That episode, however, comes close.
In my head in the seconds between the Doctor saying sorry and Donna getting fobwatched they had a massive blazing row completely psychically and Donna gave him permission to do what they did.
You're very right here. Donna's fate left me feeling very unsettled (I hesitate to start bandying around strong words, but it seems a gross misconduct to do such a thing) and I think the big row would have really helped. It needed something like Donna saying:
Donna: But I was just a temp! I was nothing! No one loved me, no one needed me, and now I am here, I am here with you, and you need me. Even if it's only five minutes, let me be needed.
Doctor: No, I need you to live, Donna. I need you to live and to have the life that I'm not going to have. I just left me part of me with Rose . . .
Donna: I can help you. I can be something.
Doctor: You'll die.
Donna: Better to die than to go back to that. I'd die for you.
Doctor: So do something harder. Live for me. Do you really think you're nothing, Donna? Still? Do you believe that? If I take away your memories I don't change who are, you're still Donna. Still Doctor Donna.
Donna: But I won't know it.
Doctor: Does it really matter?
Donna: Yes. To me. Yes.
Doctor: It would break my heart.
Donna: Cries. In small voice: Ok. Nods
Doctor: Donna, I am going to miss you, so much.
Donna: I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
(no subject)
Date: Friday, July 11th, 2008 04:28 am (UTC)I am missing Donna already...